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Sep 8 11 11:09 AM
Co-Admin of The SCF sdklgfasjldfklj
Sep 8 11 11:29 AM
... in his full sentence - "Just remember where
doing this for the fun of it when u started putting all these rules on it and
start telling people they cant join they become less fun and people will start
to not show up to the shoots."
Here's the dichotomy of the situation - it should be fun for members and those
that just discover us on site. At the same time, the sophistication and growth
of planned Shoots is inherently becoming more complex as the years go by. There
still has to be order in there somewhere.
I've been part of a Photo Guild that was started early last year. I
"stumbled" on them at their second meeting and was quickly pulled
into leadership. At first the Guild's meetings were more informal and
go-with-it-on-the-fly but, as the attendees and membership grew, the need to be
organized and have a plan grew. It's the nature of the beast. There were new
attendees coming in at all different skill levels. The challenge was how to not
over-complicate the meetings while not losing the interest of the more advanced
members. Same for the calendared activities outside the meetings. Guess upon to
whom that challenge fell? Not the participants but the leadership. The heavy
lifting to help the members enjoy their time and learn was not theirs to bear -
they should only have to concern themselves with having an idea of how to be
prepared for the next meeting or activity. It was the leadership that needed to
put in the blood, sweat, and tears behind the scenes.
To shorten it - the "formal" teaching part of the meetings often
still go to an advanced level but we also have shorter presentations on
creative "everyone can do/try this" ideas. And then there's
fellowship time where more can be learned or shared. The attendees
participation should be fun and they should go home looking forward to the next
meeting. Then, between meetings, the leadership would give their time to make
sure the next meeting was as fun and profitable for the members as can be. If we
don’t attempt over time to involve each of the members then many will lose
interest and leave.
To direct the convo towards our SCF Shoots: starting very close to on-time is
still important as consideration to all the other SCF'ers and photogs and
directors who are there. But, sort of to thesuperboy's point, why not do the
things that can get everyone involved first, walkups and duplicates, rather than having some/many wonder how
things are going to go and then getting bored and just wandering off? I’ve seen
that, even this year. If you have a large "family" type shot or shots
already lined up why not have the first shot with everyone there who is in
appropriate costume for the given shot? Then worry about narrowing the image to
just signed-up singles of whatever type/s you are desiring and/or rotating in
duplicates. When the next "big" shot is being organized do the same
thing again – inclusive, then exclusive with rotating if necessary. Once a
director gets down to the smaller group-inside-a-group set shots then keep it
to only those that signed up if that’s how it was organized pre-Con. Just roll
with it though and get everyone involved on the first shot of whatever shot is
in your book/work flow and then filter out the non-assigned players. And so on
and so forth.
This gets everyone some face time, SCF members and even walk-ups, and still
allows the director control to create his image workflow shots as he envisioned
them. The big should always be done first - that way, if there are duplicates
or walk ups that know they won't be needed as the Shoot goes on, they can
either hang out to watch or chat or see what develops or head out.
Fun is the first word. I think with a proper director's flow chart it's
possible to have some "organized chaos” fun with everyone and still pull
off the tighter-control “assigned rolls” shots.
The future is going to have inherent challenges as SCF’s
reputation for organizing/being an umbrella for these kind of Shoots grows. A
guy or gal with canon knowledge of their family of interest and a vision of shots to pull
off is a good start but being able to organize a work flow and communicate that
to the cosplayers and photogs will be more key to having a FUN and successful
Shoot. A guy or gal with good photo equipment is a good start but knowing how
to create with said kit and being able to listen to the director and
communicate back what they can do to help the director create a memorable image
or Shoot will be more important.
And a good team, from the lead organizer to the directors to
the photogs, will be most key to creating lasting memories and great
experiences for the SCF’ers and walk-ups. It’s they that have to be organized
and communicate before their Shoots so the cosplayers can have fun.
I say what I say with a dogma because I've not only seen it work with my Guild, but was able to put most of it in practice as this year's DC on most of the SCF Shoots I was involved with. I had a great time (save for the Shoot I was late to as a sub-group photog because of physical illness) being involved with a number of Shoots but things really clicked where fun was the operative word and the directors and I had already met and got to know each other, how we worked, and the big picture as well as a work flow. That's for another time.
Addendum (as LAW just posted his comment before I have) - loganallenwolf is right about trying to accommodate many multiples of the same character: too time intensive. My suggestion above as how to deal with multiples/walk-ups in an organized workflow would still work. It can be done quickly (at least with most of the Shoots I was involved with) and not interfere with the director's designed shots.
Sep 8 11 11:38 AM
Sep 8 11 1:07 PM
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Sep 8 11 2:00 PM
When they're done right they are a blast.
No doubt you do a lot of heavy lifting behind the scenes.
as the SCF grows so will the group sizes.
maybe think of an alternate location
Sep 8 11 8:46 PM
loganallenwolf wrote:Paul: Honestly, I went back and forth between 60 minutes and 90 minutes. I can tell you that (with few exceptions) that almost every time there has been a 2-hour shoot outside of the big "Universe" shoots that I've heard multiple complaints afterwards. However, I recognize that you do a lot of incredible work with lighting, and could use the extra time. I will still rather bluntly say that I would prefer that other photographers and groups that are simply "pointing and clicking" still try to keep to a 60 minute time-frame, especially if there is no shade and they're outside. Allen
Sep 8 11 11:40 PM
... I think one good way to speed group shoots up is for there to be a shot list ahead of time. It helps the photographer previsualize (which help determine what equipment is needed), sets up a loose schedule, and imposes some order on the situation. It doesn't have to be a straightjacket, but having a plan for these things really helps.Another idea is to make a greater effort to recruit multiple photographers for a the larger groups, so that once the big group shots are done, you can have simultaneous sub-group/individual shoots going on (combine with shot list above for extra tasty goodness). There's simply a limit to how many folks a single photographer can wrangle and keep involved and keep the quality up...
Sep 9 11 10:56 AM
PaulCory wrote:I think one good way to speed group shoots up is for there to be a shot list ahead of time. It helps the photographer previsualize (which help determine what equipment is needed), sets up a loose schedule, and imposes some order on the situation. It doesn't have to be a straightjacket, but having a plan for these things really helps.Another idea is to make a greater effort to recruit multiple photographers for a the larger groups, so that once the big group shots are done, you can have simultaneous sub-group/individual shoots going on (combine with shot list above for extra tasty goodness). There's simply a limit to how many folks a single photographer can wrangle and keep involved and keep the quality up. If I'd had a second shooter to help with the individual shots at the Endless shoot, we could have gotten through that in 90 minutes.
Sep 9 11 9:12 PM
The Crazy One
Sep 10 11 8:10 AM
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Wiccy wrote:My suggestion for the BIG DC (and Marvel) Universe shoots is to go STRAIGHT to the giant "class photo" session shots first and THEN let all the sub-groups and what-nots go do their own things from there. I think trying to do it the other way round is far too chaotic and you end up with little groups everywhere and have people on the steps waiting and etc and then people get hot and annoyed and it's just not good.
Sep 10 11 8:32 AM
Not a Villain Co-Administrator of The SCF
Shieldwolf wrote:Also, and this is a whole other can of worms I'm about to open, as the SCF becomes bigger and more well known, so do the DC and Marvel shoots. There may want to be consideration given to the idea of doing TWO DC/Marvel shoots over the weekend. An A.M. shoot and a P.M. shoot. This would allow a few things to happen.1. People who can't make the 4:00 pm shoot could still have another chance to make the A.M. one.2. Those with more than one DC/Marvel costume, could now make each shoot with a different costume3. It could also be stressed by photoshoot organizers, "In the interest of crowd control, time restraints, and ensuring that everyone gets equal representation of their costume, unless you're using a different character for each shoot, please only attend one of the planned shoots."
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Joy wrote: Unfortunately (well..fortunately since I loved the group) Batman was ENORMOUS. We must have had over fifty participants (correction..over 100..just did a rough headcount in one of the photos) in the subgroup ...
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